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Post by judy » Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:57 am

8/5/2014 9:21 am (mt) judy: logs in on 8/5/2014 9:21 am (mt).
8/5/2014 9:21 am (mt) judy: Welcome everyone. We’re about to officially start the meeting.
8/5/2014 9:21 am (mt) judy: A few reminders before we begin: : PLEASE READ THESE GUIDELINES. THEY’RE VERY IMPORTANT. When you want to share (at appropriate times) please state “I’d like to share” or words to that effect. When entering longer posts, enter every sentence or two to keep the flow going. When you’re finished, please say “that’s all” or end with three dots (,,,) so we know you’re done.
8/5/2014 9:21 am (mt) judy: WELCOME to the “90 in 90" HtH online meeting. Another name for this effort could be the “Daily Devotional” meeting. The idea of trying to attend as many of 90 meetings in 90 days as possible came originally from AA. It was sort of an intensive-care effort designed as a resource for those who needed it to “jump start” their program or just anytime they wanted a daily dose of recovery fellowship. On Saturday mornings, we will not hold this meeting, since a regular Saturday meeting begins at 8:00 a.m. Mountain Time.
8/5/2014 9:21 am (mt) judy: Would someone like to volunteer to offer the prayer? We just type it in like we would speak it aloud, as if we were saying it in person.
8/5/2014 9:24 am (mt) judy: I will pray
8/5/2014 9:25 am (mt) judy: Father
8/5/2014 9:26 am (mt) judy:
8/5/2014 9:26 am (mt) judy: We are grateful to be here this morning with Thee
8/5/2014 9:26 am (mt) judy: we ask a blessing on us as we seek thee in letting go of our weaknesses and addictions
8/5/2014 9:27 am (mt) judy: bless those that can not be here today that they will find us and thee
8/5/2014 9:27 am (mt) judy: and be blessed as they do so
8/5/2014 9:27 am (mt) judy: we pray this prayer
8/5/2014 9:27 am (mt) judy: in Jesus Name
8/5/2014 9:27 am (mt) judy: Amen
8/5/2014 9:27 am (mt) judy: We’ll do introductions now. If this is your first meeting, you’re welcome to just state your first name and “I’m new,” or “This is my first meeting.” You may even just say, “I pass.” If when you state your first name you would also be willing to identify the challenge, addiction or compulsion that brought you to HtH, the length of time you’ve attended Heart t’ Heart or other Twelve Step groups, your length of abstinence and where you live, you are welcome to do so.
8/5/2014 9:27 am (mt) judy: Also please keep in mind that this is a general focus meeting and we keep our sharing focused on recovery principles so as not to trigger or embarrass anyone. Extensive inventory type stories are not appropriate in meetings, but should be shared one-on-one with an experienced sponsor.
8/5/2014 9:27 am (mt) judy: Please post your intro whenever you are ready. We can sort it out. Please remember to end your last line of introduction with three periods . . . so we’ll know you’re finished. Please post your intros now.
8/5/2014 9:28 am (mt) judy: Welcome, everyone. Heart t’ Heart is a twelve step support group patterned after the anonymous meetings which originated with Alcoholics Anonymous in the 1930’s. It is dedicated to helping Latter-day Saint people overcome the bondage of compulsive/addictive behaviors through a practical proven application of the principles of the gospel of Jesus Christ as they correlate with the Twelve Steps of AA. While Heart t’ Heart is not affiliated directly with the Church, we are a Latter-day Saint community resource that sustains and supports all of the Church’s doctrines and teachings.
8/5/2014 9:28 am (mt) judy: The Heart t’ Heart Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions were adapted with permission of Alcoholics Anonymous from AA’s original steps and traditions.
8/5/2014 9:28 am (mt) judy: In this meeting we will post the Steps only. We will forego posting the traditions in our one hour format for the sake of time, but please refer to the HtH website to read through them. They are very important in helping us conduct our fellowship in groups. The version of the steps that we use most often includes actual phrases from the Book of Mormon that paraphrase the concepts in the original steps.
8/5/2014 9:28 am (mt) judy: The first three steps are often called the surrender steps. 1. Admitted that we of ourselves are powerless, nothing without God. (Mosiah 4:5; Alma 26:12) 2. Came to believe that God has all power and all wisdom and that in His strength we can do all things. (Mosiah 4:9; Alma 26:12) 3. Made the decision to reconcile ourselves to the will of God, offer our whole souls as an offering unto Him, and trust Him in all things forever. (2 Nephi 10:24; Omni 1:26; Mosiah 3:19; 2 Nephi 4:34)
8/5/2014 9:28 am (mt) judy: The next two steps are the inventory steps: 4. Made a searching and fearless written inventory of our past in order to thoroughly examine ourselves as to our pride and other weaknesses with the intent of recognizing our own carnal state and our need for Christ's Atonement. (Alma 15:17; Mosiah 4:2; Jacob 4:6-7; Ether 12:27) 5. Honestly shared this inventory with God and with another person, thus demonstrating the sincerity of our repentance, and our willingness to give away all our sins that we might know Him. (Mosiah 26:29; Alma 22:18 )
8/5/2014 9:28 am (mt) judy: The next two steps are the ones that address a mighty change of HEART, not just habit (outward behavior). 6. Became humble enough to yield our hearts and our lives to Christ for His sanctification and purification, relying wholly upon His merits, acknowledging even our own best efforts as unprofitable. (Helaman 3:35; 2 Nephi 31:19; Mosiah 2:20-21) 7. Humbly cried unto the Lord Jesus Christ in our hearts for a remission of sins that through His mercy and His grace we might experience a mighty change of heart, lose all disposition to do evil, and thus be encircled about in the arms of safety because of His great and last sacrifice. (Alma 6:18; Alma 38:8; Moroni 10:32; Mosiah 5:2; Alma 34:15-16)
8/5/2014 9:28 am (mt) judy: The next two steps are the amends steps: 8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed and became willing to make restitution to all of them (even those we had harmed in what we might have considered righteous anger), desiring instead to be peacemakers and to do all that we could to come unto God by being first reconciled to others. (3 Nephi 12:9; 3 Nephi 12:24; 3 Nephi 12:44-45) 9. Made restitution directly to those we had harmed, confessing our own wrongdoing in each instance, except when to do so would further injure them or others. (Mosiah 27:35; 3 Nephi 12:25; Mosiah 26:30)
8/5/2014 9:28 am (mt) judy: The last three steps are referred to as the maintenance steps: 10. Realizing that the weakness to be tempted and to sin is a part of the mortal experience, we continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it, being willing to repent as often as needed. (2 Nephi 4:18; 2 Nephi 10:20; Mosiah 26:30) 11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, seeking the words of Christ through the power of the Holy Ghost that they might tell us all things that we should do, praying only for a knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out. (2 Nephi 32:3; Alma 37:37; Helaman 10:4) 12. Having experienced a mighty change and having awakened unto God as a result of our sincere repentance demonstrated in taking these steps, we were willing to become instruments in carrying this message to others and to practice these principles in all we do. (Alma 5:7; Mosiah 27:36-37; Moroni 7:3)
8/5/2014 9:28 am (mt) judy: There is one of our Twelve Traditions that we need to mention at every meeting. In the 7th Tradition it says that we are fully self-supporting by contributions from members only. In accordance with our Seventh Tradition, anyone who wishes to donate to Heart t' Heart in order to help offset the cost of printed materials and other expenses may do so.
8/5/2014 9:28 am (mt) judy: If you are a newcomer, we encourage you to use your money to purchase literature. Heart t' Heart is run totally on member donations. This includes the cost of our website and online services. Please prayerfully consider sending a tax-deductible donation to Heart t’ Heart General Service Office at the following address: Heart t’ Heart Contributions – 975 Orchard Drive, River Heights, UT 84321. When you donate, please indicate your donation is from the online meetings. Or, go to to make a donation online.
8/5/2014 9:28 am (mt) judy: Cross Talk/Side Talk" is discouraged in Heart t' Heart meetings. This means we neither interrupt nor engage in dialogue with another speaker. Twelve step meetings are not designed to be encounter groups or advice giving sessions of any sort. Commenting or giving advice discourages the individual's own ability to hear the Truth as spoken to their hearts directly by the spirit. (2 Nephi 32:3) It is now time for our literature study. During the reading, please pick out a line or two from the reading that jumps out at you and reflect on those thoughts--either silently or "aloud" in your sharing. You may wish to have a word processor window open to capture those thoughts.
8/5/2014 9:28 am (mt) judy: opps something happend there
8/5/2014 9:28 am (mt) judy: I am Judy from Provo Utah and have been in hth and other recovery programs for a long time
8/5/2014 9:29 am (mt) judy: so glad to be here with you today
8/5/2014 9:35 am (mt) judy: NO PAIN, NO GAIN
8/5/2014 9:35 am (mt) judy: we are taking the reading from the 4th step today
8/5/2014 9:35 am (mt) judy: Nevertheless, notwithstanding the great goodness of the Lord, in showing me his great and marvelous works, my heart exclaimeth: O wretched man that I am! Yea, my heart sorroweth because of my flesh; my soul grieveth because of mine iniquities. I am encompassed about, because of the temptations and the sins which do so easily beset me. (2 Nephi 4:17–18)
8/5/2014 9:36 am (mt) judy: These words of Nephi illustrate a normal stage of the cleansing process. As we begin to awaken to God’s goodness, it serves only to bring us, in one sense, greater pain. Beginning to know his goodness will not only give us hope, but will awaken us to a sense of our own guilt. At this point many of us stop the process of repentance, choosing to focus on the guilt in us instead of the hope in Christ. This is a crucial moment of choice, because it demonstrates the current condition of our heart. It takes many of us a very long time of harboring up and avoiding guilt to realize that to do so is one of the highest forms of blasphemy. Guilt is not meant to be stuffed down or covered up. It is meant to be a warning signal to us—like the smoke alarm in our home. One quick “beep” of its piercing influence is all our Designer meant us to bear. Harbored guilt is the source of much “dis–ease”––spiritual, emotional and physical. It is an unspoken testimony that we have not yet accepted the atonement of Jesus Christ in our hearts, where it counts the most.
8/5/2014 9:38 am (mt) judy: Thus many turn away, unwilling to openly look at their own guilt, and never come to know the full extent of God’s goodness. The rest of 2 Nephi 4 illustrates plainly that Nephi has not let his sins and his guilt cause him to shrink or turn away. He has faced them squarely. And he has faced his fear that he is too wretched, that God might reject him. He then comes to know full forgiveness and remission of his sins, redemption from his “enemies.”
8/5/2014 9:39 am (mt) judy: Why should I yield to sin, because of my flesh? Yea, why should I give way to temptations, that the evil one have place in my heart to destroy my peace and afflict my soul? Why am I angry because of mine enemy? (2 Nephi 4:27) Here Nephi demonstrates for us the kind of soul searching we need to apply to ourselves. A fearlessly honest inventory of our past and present behavior will begin to reveal the underlying pattern of our character strengths and weaknesses. We should especially be searching for our weaknesses.
8/5/2014 9:40 am (mt) judy: And if men come unto me I will show unto them their weakness. I give unto men [I have created a time and place—earth–life—where men can have] weakness that they may be humble; and my grace [power] is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me [admit that they are nothing without me], and have faith in me [recognize that I have the answers and the power; that I am the way, the truth and the life], then will I make weak things [moments when they thought they were failing, when they were overcome by sin, when they had thought they were lost forever] become strong unto them [become their strongest moments]. (Ether 12:27)
8/5/2014 9:41 am (mt) judy: End of reading for
8/5/2014 9:42 am (mt) judy: i will share and then open the room for further sharing
8/5/2014 9:42 am (mt) judy: Ether 12:27 is one of my favorite scriptures and i try to read it often
8/5/2014 9:43 am (mt) judy: I am weak in so many areas right now it isnt funny
8/5/2014 9:44 am (mt) judy: and i know that as i rely on my Savior He will make these weak areas become strong.
8/5/2014 9:44 am (mt) judy: I have to remember this when i am in deep pain and not feeling well at all
8/5/2014 9:44 am (mt) judy: and when i am in the throws of my coe addiction
8/5/2014 9:45 am (mt) judy: I know as i turn to the Savior he will show me what i need to do to become strong in these areas
8/5/2014 9:46 am (mt) judy: I just have to remember that i have these weaknesses to help me grow and be more dependant on Him
8/5/2014 9:46 am (mt) judy: ty for allowing me to share
8/5/2014 9:46 am (mt) judy: thats all
8/5/2014 9:46 am (mt) judy: THAT CONCLUDES OUR READING FOR TODAY I will share, then we will open the meeting for general sharing.
8/5/2014 9:46 am (mt) judy: The meeting is now open for sharing. Please let us know if you would like to share. You can post your sharing every couple of sentences, or prepare it in advance in larger sections for easier posting. Please remember to add . . . or “that’s all” to the last post so we will know you are finished. Sharing should be about your own personal thoughts and not involve cross-talk or comments made directly about another member’s sharing. Please remember also that in Heart t’ Heart we emphasize the solution rather than the problem and principles over personalities. Who would like to begin?
8/5/2014 9:46 am (mt) judy: Thank you for letting me be your leader for this meeting. Please let me remind all of us of two important points: First, the principle of anonymity as captured in this thought: “Who you see here, what you hear here, when you leave here let it stay here.” As part of respecting others’ anonymity, please do not share transcripts of this meeting with others. Second, the opinions expressed here are those of the individual who expressed them and don’t necessarily represent the principles of Heart t’ Heart as a whole.
8/5/2014 9:46 am (mt) judy: It is time to close our meeting. Could we please have a volunteer to “say” our closing prayer, today?
8/5/2014 9:46 am (mt) judy: We’ll leave the “room” open for a while so people can chat. Please remember to start your post with the person’s name you’re addressing. That way, we can have several conversations going at once. Please remember, also, not to exchange personal email addresses while in this chat room. Please note also that the way we exchange e-mail addresses now is to get on the "We Care" list, either for men or for women. Send your e-mail address to and your name will be put on the list and it will be sent to you. We hope you will be patient with this approach. We, in HtH, do not encourage people to “meet” others one-on-one in open Internet environments. We also do not provide email addresses between genders. Thank you for being here, everyone…
8/5/2014 9:47 am (mt) judy: I will pray
8/5/2014 9:47 am (mt) judy: Father we again come before thee in gratitude for another inspiring meeting
8/5/2014 9:47 am (mt) judy: we ask a blessing on those that are seeking recovery from addictions
8/5/2014 9:48 am (mt) judy: that they will find us and thee and be comforted
8/5/2014 9:48 am (mt) judy: we pray this prayer in Jesus Name
8/5/2014 9:48 am (mt) judy: Amen

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